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#2 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-08 00:39:01

card wrote:

It would be hard to make a meaningful cipher with only 12 letters and the chances that we haven't yet found a matching symbol are a little slim.

Wouldn't be hard since the creator can choose the 12 letters.  "Cordial Minuet", for example, uses exactly 12 distinct letters.  That could easily make some other phrase (that could then be entered in the password boxes) if the letters were substituted for other letters.  And we have found symbols that match pretty closely -- the D and the I.  But yes, the theory would have a lot more credence if there was more than just one matching pair.

Though I just realized, upon closer inspection, that the I symbol doesn't close completely -- I didn't realize that until just now.

P.S. I never actually said I believed my theory was right tongue  Just something that popped in my mind a while back.

#3 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-07 19:53:50

Cobblestone wrote:

Either way, it won't make any difference if we can't find a cipher to solve! big_smile

I guess I'll share my theory on this that I've been holding back for a little while.  AFAIK, we haven't seen any of these runes show up anywhere other than on the amulets.  But, at least some of the runes look similar to each other (the one for D and the one for I, for example).  What if the cypher isn't meant to pair letters with runes, but instead pair letters with other letters?.  Thus, the amulets would give us 12 pairs of letters (and missing an amulet or two wouldn't be the end of the world).  Then we'd have a cypher that we could actually use (on what phrase, who knows, but we'd at least have a place to start).

#4 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-07 19:05:44

To expound on my reasoning above, there are 5 possible ways to order the amulets:

1) The order they were given out
2) The order of their zodiac sign
3) The order given by their filenames (they all started with numbers)
4) The order of number of notches
5) The order of the letters on the back

2) and 3) give the same ordering (and would suggest the 13-notch amulet is the "11th" amulet, with no indication that there's a 13th amulet).  5) is likely the same as 2) and 3), given what has been said and shown in this thread, though obviously we can't be certain until we see all the backs.  1) is probably irrelevant in my mind, but it's possible it has some meaning.  4) is the only ordering that suggests the 13-notched one is in 13th place (and that we're missing the amulet that would fall in the 11th spot).

Not saying the number of notches is meaningless, but I'm not convinced that that's enough evidence to indicate there's a mysterious 13th amulet floating around.

#5 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-07 18:55:43

card wrote:

So if we work under that assumption... then what would be on the last 2 amulets? X-Y on 12, and Z on 13? Or are you thinking that because of the number reversal, maybe T-U is on 13 and 2 of X,Y,Z are on 12?

I'm assuming that amulet is the 11th amulet, despite it having 13 notches (for the reasons given previously), and that either X, Y, or Z is not used (just like J).  And that there is no 13th amulet (at least not one like the 12 we know of).

1) A,B
2) C,D
3) E,F
4) G,H
5) I,K
6) L,M
7) N,O
8) P,Q
9) R,S
10) T,U
11) V,W (this being the one with 13 notches)
12) Y,Z (or possibly X,Z or X,Y)

#6 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-07 10:20:22

joshwithguitar wrote:

Well, remember Ano has the 11th amulet and go back and read his last comment... might give a clue wink.

Yep, which is why I said I'm fairly confident his amulet has V and W on it wink

#7 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-06 23:49:55

The last two are only out of order if you assume the Scorpius one is amulet 13, not amulet 11.  The notches would indicate that it's amulet 13, but the filename/codename starts with 11 (and the logical place for it would be 11, if you don't include Ophiuchus).

If, hypothetically, the Scorpius one had 11 notches instead of 13, then everything would fit perfectly.  My (half-jokingly) "are you sure?" comment was implying that maybe he meant to put 11 notches on that one, but accidentally put 13.

P.S. Not saying it's not supposed to be amulet 13, but just throwing out that there are indications that it could be considered amulet 11 also.

#8 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-06 21:32:34

That's just referring to the order the amulets were given out, though, right?  i.e. the fact that the "amulet 6" was given out third, etc.  I'm referring to the fact that "amulet 11" has 13 notches.

Edit:  Sorry, reread your post.  Guess we were talking about different things.

I never really considered the order that the amulets were actually handed out.  I just assumed that he wanted the high values ones either on the weekend or at the end of the contest.

#9 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-06 19:49:40

Cobblestone wrote:

Jason did this intentionally, though...

Are we sure? tongue

#10 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-06 18:10:50

D'oh, you're almost certainly right.  I just saw "ram" and immediately associated it with Aries.  But half-goat, half-fish makes more sense for OceanRam.  So yeah, that would put them all in the correct order.  I knew there was some reason I thought they were all in order before today.

But again, that's definitely evidence towards the theory that the day 11 amulet is the 11th amulet, not a 13th one.

#11 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-06 17:34:31

Cobblestone wrote:

Everything I've seen says they're in the proper zodiac order except for 12 and 13 being switched. How should they be ordered?

Edit: Below information is wrong.  Aries and Capricorn should be switched.  Thanks to Cobblestone for the corrections
Unless I've screwed up, this is the order of the amulets (based on both filenames and notches, except for #11, which I'm basing on filename only -- would be #13 if you go by notches), along with their sign:

1 aries (1)
2 aquarius (11)
3 pisces (12)
4 capricorn (10)
5 taurus (2)
6 gemini (3)
7 Cancer (4)
8 leo (5)
9 virgo (6)
10 libra (7)
11 scorpius (8)
12 sagittarius (9)

The number in parentheses is the order they actually appear in the Zodiac calendar, which is what I was considering the "correct" order.

#12 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-06 17:08:18

card wrote:

Also, I wonder if the placement of the hollow dots on each amulet have any significance.

I don't think so (assuming you mean the holes).  The dots/holes are present in the original sigil designs.  Other than the big hole at the top of each one.

#13 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-06 17:05:43

joshwithguitar wrote:

You've got to remember madcatz that Ano has the 13 notch gold amulet (given on the second last day) and so has additional information, and also that there is currently no sign of an 11 notch amulet.

There are two things pointing towards that being the 11th amulet, not the 13th amulet:
1) The amulet filename starts with 11 -- all the other file names seem to match up with their notches/order.
2) Edit: While the order of the amulets doesn't follow the zodiac order exactly right (2 through 4 are out of order), that "13th" amulet is Scorpius, which falls in between Libra (the 10th amulet) and Sagittarius (the 12th amulet).

With what you and he/she are saying, I'm fairly confident that amulet has V and W on it (which implies that X, Y, or Z doesn't appear).

#14 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-07-05 14:05:42

AnoHito wrote:

There is one thing that has been bothering me a little though. The way things are set up, there are 25 letters in the code, meaning that the final amulet should have only only the letter "Z".

Not sure what you mean.  There were 12 amulets given out.  Consensus seems to be that only 24 letters will be used.  J was left out, and some letter between T and Z will be left out.  J and Z are the two least used letters in the English alphabet, so there's a good chance Z won't be used at all (could very well be X, instead).

#15 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-06-23 15:54:15

.. wrote:

I wonder how you cam up with that...

It's probably wrong, but I just wanted to feel smart if I'm right tongue

.. wrote:

Wow, where did you find that CM prototype?

It was in the Kotaku article:
http://kotaku.com/a-mildly-satanic-new- … 1638083439
(tineye works wonders)

#16 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-06-22 21:17:49

Hmm, I just came up with a somewhat plausible theory (which is a level of plausible above my previous dozens of theories).  I believe that two of the runes we haven't seen may be shaped like the following:
Capture.png
(enjoy my uber Paint skills)
Someone feel free to let me know if you have an amulet that has one of these tongue

#17 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-06-22 20:21:54

shotgun wrote:

i can identify or at least figure out what most of the shown symbols can mean, but what about the symbol for I on amulet 5 (my amulet)? it looks like part of a sigil or something, but all of the other symbols just looks like letters in other languages (greek, runes, etc)

Really?  I've tried, but of course it's hard to google a symbol.  But they're not greek, hebrew, arabic, nordic/norse, or cyrillic (unless I missed something).  Not really sure what other languages have a runic alphabet (but I'm about to try and find out).

Edit:  Not Anglo-Saxxon, macromannic, old turkish, or dalecarilan, either.

Edit 2:  Some of them are showing up in certain languages (dagaz and isaz in eldar futhark, for example, which is the most famous runic language).  And I guess you could say wunjō and gebō, as well, though I haven't seen those written with curved lines.  But some of the other ones don't seem to show up in eldar furthark.

#19 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-06-20 04:57:24

Oh nice; I didn't even think to look up the symbols on the board.  The fact that those specific 12 letters were chosen (out of 22) would definitely indicate that was the reason.  We know each amulet corresponds to a sign, as well (based on the names).  Give us something else to think about, at least.

#20 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-06-20 02:24:41

Well, there's the first rune we've gotten that sort of looks like one we've seen before.  The rune for M (the "P"-looking one) sort of (but not exactly) looks like one that shows up on the game board (I'm assuming we don't know what these represent yet -- someone correct me if I'm wrong).  So, running with that idea, if we assume that the column labels represent a 6-letter word, and given the third letter is "M", and given that all 6 letters are different, and tossing out all the letters I've already seen that don't have runes on the board (including J), it cuts down the list to 20 possible words (I think I got them all, but won't guarantee it)

femurs fumets tumors tempos tumefy homers shmoes fumers gemots rumens unmews humors unmesh hymens foment upmost nympho nymphs gemote vomers

Edit: Also "Humots", which is another demon along the same lines as the 12 amulet demons.  Seems a better choice than any of the above words.

Most of those words are pretty obscure, and none of them really seem to fit the theme, so this is all probably just another dead end.  Though it would be interesting if we do see another rune that seems to match one on the game board.

(Just one of the several winding paths I've been down the last few days)

#21 Re: Main Forum » Early Exit Is KILLING this game » 2015-06-17 16:45:14

I don't play as much anymore, but I would definitely prefer a rising penalty.  But I'm probably biased.  I come from a poker world, where my game as of late has been hyper-turbo SnGs.  I'm also a mathematician, so I feel I have the biggest edge when math comes into play (i.e. pot odds), which is when the stack sizes are small compared to the antes.  It's rather disheartening for me when virtually every single one of my opponents leaves the second they win a decent pot late in the game.

#22 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-06-16 14:30:57

That's because there aren't really any "solutions".  The code box doesn't check what you type into it at all (except for one single redirection substitution).  You can get to the page after the code box just by appendng the passcode onto the cordialminuet.com/ url, and bypass that code box completely.  All the code box does is make whatever you type into a url.

Edit:  Though now that I check again, that page after the code box isn't a php page like most of the pages on the site, so it's actually not included in the source files, as far as I can tell.  There very well could be a hidden page that you could (though wouldn't have to) access through the code box.

#23 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-06-16 03:48:02

Seems hard that he could hide something like that, though, considering everything is open source.

#24 Re: Main Forum » The Mystery of the Amulets » 2015-06-16 02:43:18

AnoHito wrote:

A simple substitution cypher isn't very hard to break... In cases with a sufficiently long message, you usually don't even need a hint to break it. I wonder if there isn't more to this then meets the eye. In the first place, we don't really have a message to decode yet, do we?

Spent a while today looking for a potential message to decode, but didn't find anything.  What you say about a substitution cipher is true, but it could be something without any grammar (or even actual words).  For example, maybe something that goes in the code boxes at the bottom of the main page.  If you put in the original correct answer, the page says "SOMETHING VALUABLE will appear here SOMEDAY".  Maybe the decoded message will find the "something valuable".  Just spitballing, though.  Unless one of the amulets has something drastically different than what we've been seeing, I don't think we can get anywhere without a message.

Edit:  Only thing I can think at this point is if half of the amulets have the cypher, and the other half have the message, but who knows.

Edit 2:  Just checked -- all the entry box does is concatenate the two strings, and makes a url out of them.

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