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#101 Re: Main Forum » Random questions about game features » 2015-02-15 02:56:04

Thanks so much, Jere, for the explanations about what info you get when hovering over squares. That's just the kind of info that I think would need to go into a longer, publicly available explanation of the game and its features. We want new players to be intrigued about how deep the game goes, not frustrated that somehow their opponent always gets the higher score!

With that said, there's no better feeling than seeing the graph indicate you have a guaranteed win. big_smile

claspa wrote:
Dan_Dan84 wrote:

1) Now the first thing I don't understand: sometimes in the number reveal round, my opponent's number was revealed before I chose my number. I can't remember what the circumstances were, for example, maybe I had an automatic win, i.e. both my possible numbers were higher than theirs. But I remember thinking it was odd, especially since their reveal might affect what you choose to reveal. This has happened to me only rarely, so maybe it's only triggered when it doesn't matter which number your opponent chooses...?

Happened to me once too (when playing Clock Form).

Yeah, I think it happened to me while playing Clock Form, too. It wasn't just because I was accidentally hovering over that square. The rows and columns around their revealed number darkened, which only happens (or should happen) after you've revealed your number. Is it a bug, then? Perhaps something triggered by Clock Form and/or its style of play?

#102 Main Forum » Random questions about game features » 2015-02-14 17:02:22

Dan_Dan84
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So I'm new here, but I've played a few games (even some that weren't against our resident bot!). Let me just say that it's a fascinating concept and, I think it's very well executed. I just really hope that the game doesn't get derailed by legal challenges/decisions or someone discovering a foolproof way to "crack" the game. I think it's really cool, and I want to be able to play it for a long time!

I've got a few questions about game features, as I understand we're among the final release candidates (I predict that Friday, March 13th will be the release date, but fingers crossed it might be even earlier!). Now, I've read almost every post in the forum (including the difficult ones with lots of math, programming, and gambling terminology), so I don't think I'm duplicating anything that's already been discussed, but sorry in advance if I ask something that's already been addressed elsewhere.

1) Now the first thing I don't understand: sometimes in the number reveal round, my opponent's number was revealed before I chose my number. I can't remember what the circumstances were, for example, maybe I had an automatic win, i.e. both my possible numbers were higher than theirs. But I remember thinking it was odd, especially since their reveal might affect what you choose to reveal. This has happened to me only rarely, so maybe it's only triggered when it doesn't matter which number your opponent chooses...?

2) I've read about user requests to get more graph info when you hover over the board, which were implemented in v14. Is there a way to make it clearer just what info is being given? Because right now, I'm not 100% clear on what info I'm getting when I hover over the board, and if only some people understand this, it could give (even more of) an advantage to more experienced players. Of course it doesn't have to be in-game explanations. But maybe just a tutorial or text explanation outside the client.

3) The game chimes when you start a game and somebody joins (I love the chime sound, by the way. The sound design is so minimalist, so the chime really stands out). But while you're waiting for an opponent, other available games might pop onto the screen. Now, seeing as how there aren't all that many active players at any given time, I tend to leave CM on in the background while doing other things. I would like to know, however, if someone starts another game that I might like to join. Maybe a more low-key sound to signal this? If people find it annoying, could that sound be toggled on/off?

4) Now just a couple of random questions about admin stuff:

a) Can two people use the same computer and have different CM accounts? Because right now one gets logged in automatically, based on the e-mail and key stored in the local files, as I understand it. Also, it feels weird to have a shortcut on my desktop to an application where money is stored. It may not be my life's savings, but still. It feels odd. And I've read elsewhere on the forums that user-created password protection is not being considered for this game.

b) I'm just curious about whether there will have to be user agreements when the game is officially released. I mean, while many of us play for pennies, and as pre-release players, we know what we've gotten into, the fact is some might play for larger sums post-release. They'll have to understand what they're getting into, e.g. if you start a new game and an opponent joins while you're away, they could take seven coins if you don't get back in time (ante plus leaving penalty); or you'll have to pay a leaving penalty if you get disconnected; or hell, in our litigious society, something about the fact that you're responsible for your account and betting decisions, which could lead to financial loss. I mean, I know Jason is on record as saying that he believes in personal responsibility and doesn't want to play a "nanny role," but it only takes one person to misunderstand the game, lose a sum of money, and then get the game some unwanted attention. I know Jason has said he is prepared to fight a legal battle on the legality of the game, but to deal with a civil suit from a disgruntled player... Ugh.

Anyway, these are just a few things that popped into my head while playing the game and browsing through the forums. Honestly, I'm just happy to have gotten the chance to try out the game pre-release and see the conversations and even "metagames" that have grown around it!

#103 Re: Main Forum » Creature Expression's Pro Tips [All Secret Incantations Inside!] » 2015-02-14 14:56:34

Wow, thanks so much for sharing!

I remember when I first heard the chime after waiting almost an hour for my first game and I had NO IDEA what I was doing. Since then, I've slowly been stumbling upon these strategies, but easier said than done following them. And of course, a good player will make random picks on occasion, so even when you think you have your opponent pegged, and you're sure you're going to get that 35 and they're going to get that 6... Nope!

Thanks again. May Minoson bless you with excellent picks (except when you're playing against me wink ).

#104 Re: Main Forum » A bot among us? » 2015-02-14 11:06:58

Oh great, now I look stupid posting that while the human Clock Form was finally claiming the bot as his own. wink

The bot's choices for how many chips to bet was also a giveaway. I mean, I don't always put in an even amount, say, 10 or 20, but the bot always puts in a, shall we say, robotically determined amount: sometimes even just one chip.

One more thing I will say: playing against a bot is kind of annoying. It's mainly the constant folding, which means the game drags out! But when I finally coax it out and get it to bet a lot on a losing hand, well, that's quite satisfying. wink

#105 Re: Main Forum » A bot among us? » 2015-02-14 11:00:25

Well, I'm not a programmer. It's probably why the only person I'm able to beat is a money-losing bot. wink

I started suspecting something was up with Clock Form pretty early on, but it's not as convincing as Jere's graphs. For me, three things: 1) very bizarre betting patterns, even folding on the first round when I bet only 4 coins. 2) As someone else already pointed out: meeting bets when the graph showed an obvious loss. 3) I don't know about anyone else, but when I finish a game, I take a moment to look at the summary screen to see the details of my win/loss. Then I look at any other browser tabs I have open (e-mail, Facebook, etc.) to see if there's anything new. And then I get up and get a drink, maybe, or use the washroom. And then I consider starting a new game, if I feel like it. But with Clock Form, the game is already open and waiting for an opponent. Every time. I suppose he could just be strangely obsessed, but...

So yeah, totally a bot. Unless someone wants to get all Werewolves/Mafia here and claim that he/she's clock form...

Anyway, I suppose bots might be inevitable, and I'm sure you programming types are interested in the challenge of building and using one, but for me, I'd rather be guaranteed that I'm playing a human. smile

#106 Re: Main Forum » Bankroll Management For Gambling Beginners! » 2015-02-14 10:43:14

Thank you so much for this. I'm sure that there will be lots of people coming to play this game who don't know much about gambling and betting. I know that when the article about CM on RPS came out a few months ago, one commenter mentioned that his concern is that this game will suck in people who would otherwise never go near an online gambling game (e.g. me) but would try out this game due to the reputation of the developer. The commenter's concern was that it could trigger destructive gambling behaviour (which he seemed to have firsthand experience with) in people who would otherwise never experience such a thing.

While this explanation about bankroll is certainly no guarantee that someone could mismanage their resources (as the OP pointed out, it's not so much following the steps that's difficult, but rather sticking to them through the highs and lows triggered by gambling), hopefully it will help newbies like me enjoy this really interesting game for a long time without worrying about running out of money.

Thanks again! smile

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