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Hmmm. The only alternative would be to send it as a direct message. The problem is that would require you to follow the bot to receive the graph and I don't think everyone wants to do that. Also, it would remove the ability to interact with the graph tweet (e.g. retweet and link to).
I do see what you're saying, but I don't know how much it is a problem. Obviously, some people here are very upfront about their identities; I'm sure that doesn't apply to everyone though.
I guess it's an awareness thing. It should be clearer that you're potentially de-anonymizing yourself by interacting with the bot. I say "potentially" because requesting a profit graph for an alias doesn't necessarily imply that you're that alias. And I'll extend my previous offer: if anyone would like me to request a graph for them, I will do so and discreetly send them the link in a message.
Just to confirm with some experimental data: this is incredibly useful.
Appears to be working great!
Let me preface by saying thanks for implementing the score preview thing.
However, it's not quite working right. What I was expecting was each player to have ~6 score lines when this is tested during 2nd turn betting, but instead they have a bunch more. If I were to guess, it's not considering that if you take a number the opponent can't have any numbers in that same row or that same column. And it's keeping extra possibilities that we know should be excluded.
Essentially, the preview in the 2nd turn bet isn't the same I get immediately after when I have access to the sliders. Yes, you are getting your final score, but like I said earlier the relationships (due to game tree conflicts) are the important part.
I know this is meant to be generalized across all turns, but I still don't see why it couldn't work the way I'm describing.
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INCIDENT.... CLEMENCY. You'll remember that name.
I remember the first TCD video where you were all chipper, then the next one with robot-Jason because people were disturbed by the first one. Then this last CM intro video is great, but I swear the tone sounds like you're explaining to a small child. So yea, it doesn't seem worth the hassle. I did hear some subtle voice work in there, but couldn't make out what was being said....
WHOA. That is really awesome! Sort of Lynchian vibe there.
I think doing without narration was smart this time around.
When you first deposited money into the game, you should have received an email telling you your "alias."
Thanks!
I suppose a lot of people can't use this directly since they don't have twitter accounts. If that's the case, just ask me and I'll grab your profit history and post it here.
Got another feature for ya. Type the following for a profit graph of your chosen player:
@canto_delirium profit creature expression

This will be your profit history ranging from the inception of the bot (1/18/15) to now.
The x-axis is scaled by the games you played; it's not scaled by time. So I'm not sure if date labels would help or not. We'll see.
Sorry about this, ya'll. I've put in the additional check, so at least you won't see that happen when you win money. But it's still possible to lose money and get announced for the wrong game and that's simply a limitation of reading the leaderboards.
Also, I've added the following feature. To follow a list of aliases:
@canto_delirium follow bird graduation, judge doorman, prayer hintYou will be notified every time any of those people move on the leaderboards. This way you don't have to actually "follow" (in the twitter sense of the word) the bot to see updates and your feed won't be clogged. To stop these notifications completely:
@canto_delirium unfollowTry it out and let me know if you see anything weird. I'm making a lot of consecutive calls to the twitter API and am worried this might be a flaky feature. We'll see.
Cool, thank you! I was struggling to understand why I was having such a hard time advocating for this change. I didn't realize it was because I was using unheard of techniques. Oh well, a gif's worth a thousand words.
I wonder how many people were already doing this. Maybe I've shared too much, but at least I have more content for Creature Expression's Pro Tips Volume II!
Thanks claspa. Here's a screenshot that occurred moments before the gif above (now in 2nd turn betting). It's not a gif, but it might as well be one.
computermouth, I've totally failed to explain anything in this thread, so I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out what the problem is here...


Maybe it's the terminology getting in the way. What you're describing is what I call 1st turn betting
I don't get what you're saying. Its the exact same calculation with the exact same board layout and info. The only thing that separates these two moments is a bet.
*sigh*
I'm not asking for a faster way to do it.
I'm asking for the option to do it during the 2nd turn betting.
This should help?

First I check the the right column because it looks promising. The top row wouldn't give me the highest. Then I check the left column. Every row except one gives me the highest and even that one is tied for highest. I don't get any of that from the full preview.
Anyway, this is why I think that clicking on a cell is not what you actually want here---you don't want to narrow your score graph down to one score. What you want is to be able to click a column for yourself at that point.
If you're settled here, just stop me. But I think I get the confusion.
I don't want a full column preview. I don't want to see in total what my 4 possible scores are for a given column. I do want to check all 8 remaining numbers individually.
The reason is because the 4 numbers in a given column might each, when reviewed individually, give me the actual highest score in those 4 cases. I don't get that information from the full column preview because I don't see the relationships the same way (i.e. oh, I get THIS score and my opponent can't have THAT score).
The only reason I would want to "drag the sliders" is because that's how I currently access the information I'm describing (in conjunction with a hover).
The difference between what I'm suggesting and what we currently have is the difference between knowing you have a guaranteed win and being clueless to that fact on the 2nd turn bet.
Maybe you thought I was saying the full column preview shows four scores that are ALL above the red scores, but that's not it. Sorry if I was unclear.
Perfect!
Finally, it sounds like what you're really asking for is a preview of pick 3 back-and-forth before making your turn-2 bet. It's not like you really want to mouse over a square (because 2 of those uncolored squares are gone in each column anyway), but you want to be able to test-drag the sliders before making your turn-2 bet. So, even if I implemented mousing over uncolored squares as if they were green, it wouldn't give you what you wanted (what you want is a full column preview).
I didn't quite follow this. I don't see a difference between "mousing over uncolored squares as if they were green" and "full column preview" in the last round. If I pick a green square, we know the other column would be red.... maybe I'm missing something.
But anyway, if you were to pick up Cobblestone's suggestion, it's a moot point and I'm all for it!
I realize that you've got a lot of design constraints here, but I still think this is pretty important. jgw has mentioned the reason he's playing around with compilation is so he can make improvements to the UI (presumably things such as this proposal). It'd be nice if modders couldn't easily extract such a huge advantage.
So if the ante is 12 and you leave/disconnect, you lose 25 coins? Seems like there is a very strong incentive with this to play out games after you've gotten past the first couple rounds, which as far as I'm concerned is good. But still, ouch!
When I first wrote it, I was checking for one person losing money and the other gaining in the same time period. Then I realized both players could lose money and there still be a "winner", so I threw the checks away. But I need to add back in the one for the loser having negative profit.
Yea sorry, Josh. The bot is prone to errors like that because of the assumptions it has to make. In this case, there might be an additional check I can do.
Yea I agree with your suggestion. Until that comes out though, maybe this will help you:
You have played 28 games. In the last 10 days, I have played the same number and here are the people with the most games played in that period:
304 clock form
234 jeopardy alcohol
141 prayer hint
123 violation disease
123 examination kerchief
114 inhabitant obsession
Cobblestone, that's one of the things I'm able to roughly track with my Twitter bot. If you let me know your alias, I can tell you. It only goes back a couple weeks but it sounds like you joined within that time.
from photos posted on Twitter:

