The Tragedy of Judge Doorman

Nate · 2015-01-01 07:34:59

So,

Judge Doorman is that one player who bought in with an account of $450-$500.

You'll notice that Judge Doorman has gone to below 30$ in the Balance leaderboards, and some player named Incident Clemency mysteriously has over 500$ now.

That's where I, Incident Clemency, come into the story.

When I started playing this game about 2 weeks ago, I only put in $5.00, ONE TIME, and that's all I've ever put into the game from my own wallet. I was already top of the profit board before tonight, but now, my profit amount/ratio is #1 in the game by a LOT, at $521.28 and 1.59. Though I'm only 5th in the game by elo. I have some theories about why this gap between profit and elo exists, basically I don't take $1.00 seriously at all at this point so I get impatient with them. I also missed a lot of the tournament.

Now I have enough Minuet Cash to buy a PS4, which I would never do, but I AM gonna buy about 3 golden plated toilet seats.

Basically, it was 2 AM on New Years and I found myself repeatedly winning 100$ matches with Judge Doorman. I won the whole pot every time, with each game lasting maybe 5 minutes at most. It was a slaughter. I assume they were drunk.

They bet 10 coins (aka 10 bucks) on every turn and he always went all in with me no matter how many times I folded. Either they were drunk, or inexperienced at this game, or both.

The lesson here is that when you start playing this game, gamble $100's of dollars right away without practicing. That's the kind of high level strategic advice that players like Creature Expression would never tell your because it's TOO PRO.

I made $400 in this game today, which is quite a living wage, meaning that Cordial Minuet is officially an e-sport! Happy New Year!

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cullman · 2015-01-01 08:06:15

I am Judge Doorman.

Anyway, before you sprain your arm patting yourself on your back, I was intentionally playing as poorly as I could to see if I could get a player to play high stakes with me. This was of course before I realized that the $500 cap was not just on a per deposit basis, but total. Anyway, I am neither drunk nor an idiot, just a guy doing an experiment. I will be back on playing high stakes once I get my limit raised. To be clear, I am not claiming I am in anyway good at this game, but you were playing someone that was trying to lose in this instance.

Enjoy the winnings, and happy new year!

-cullman

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Nate · 2015-01-01 08:31:55

I would be glad to keep doing 100$ matches! You probably just got bad luck, happens to me often. I'm available now, or I'll be on at 6pm EST tomorrow.

Nate · 2015-01-01 08:33:14

Gonna eat. I'm gonna be on at 4 am EST tonight.

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cullman · 2015-01-01 08:50:12

No it wasn't bad luck I was trying to lose, did you not read my post....you didn't notice I chose the far right column for you EVERY TIME? I will happily play you $100 once Jason lifts the deposit cap off of me. I'm sure you will still probably beat me, but I will actually try this time. I had trouble getting interested in $5 games, thus my little experiment if I could get someone to play for more. To be absolutely clear, I ramped nate into playing me for $100, I lost a $10 on purpose then a $20, then a $30 then a $40 then a $60, then a $80 then a $100 - for anyone thinking I just sat down starting $100 games and trying to lose to get a high limits game going,

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Nate · 2015-01-01 08:53:25

Awesome! Just post here when you're available! Sorry I was a jerk, I can be a bit of a sore winner at times...

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cullman · 2015-01-01 08:56:20

No need to apologize, I didn't read your post as "jerky" at all. I was playing badly and you have every right to crow about it, I just wanted you to know the reason.

Nate · 2015-01-01 09:00:01

10 + 20 + 30 + 40 + 60 + 100 + 100 + 100 = 460

...It was a good night...

cullman · 2015-01-01 09:05:24

Happy to be of service!

At least Cordial Minuet has cost me 100-150x less than The Castle Doctrine has.

Nate · 2015-01-01 09:35:03

Just wondering, what is your job/where is this income coming from? I'm a programmer.

cullman · 2015-01-01 09:50:07

I have a CS degree and started out as a programmer. I am executive in a start up now, and have had a few successful startups in the past.

.. · 2015-01-01 11:05:53

Hiya cullman. Should have guessed it was you. Odd experiment you're running here : )

Too bad, Nate already cashed out most of his profits. I was hoping that that money would circulate around the system and cause everyone to play higher stakes games, not to mention the potential positive publicity of people winning money. (It's the same mostly negative result as the boxing day tournament prizes)

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jere · 2015-01-01 13:20:58

The lesson here is that when you start playing this game, gamble $100's of dollars right away without practicing. That's the kind of high level strategic advice that players like Creature Expression would never tell your because it's TOO PRO.

Ah yes, I've seen the error of my ways. This is great advice here. Not only do you get to lose hundreds of dollars to Nate, but he'll also throw in a thread calling you out as a loser. Maybe it'd be easier to just send the money directly. Nate, who should we write the checks out to?

IIRC, Cullman was quite a baller on the The Castle Doctrine forums. He would offer people $50 who got to his safe. I was hoping to be able to playing Judge Doorman. Hopefully more high rollers will come on board.

Nate · 2015-01-01 13:36:16

I still have over $200 in game, and I would be glad to play $100 games with anyone here!

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.. · 2015-01-01 14:02:49

To be fair, if I just won over $400 in the game, the largest amount ever won by far, I would write an account of it here. And casinos and gambling sites want that kind of publicity anyway.

What's the reason for the $500 cap on deposits? I know the limit on withdrawals has been explained, but I don't remember that one.

jasonrohrer · 2015-01-01 17:28:26

The $500 cap is for anyone who hasn't shown us photographic proof that their credit card is legitimate.

Imagine someone coming in with 5 stolen card numbers, charging up $5000, then withdrawing it all or simply losing it all to other players. A month later, the owners of those cards notice and reverse the charges. $5000 is already gone by that time, so I'm stuck with that loss.

So, if you're going to put in $500 or more, you have to provide us proof that you're you and that your name matches the name on your card. Essentially, proof that you approve these charges. Another example is a kid using a parent's card without permission. If you're going to use your mother's card for $500 or more, we need to see a photo of her approving the use of the card (so we know she won't reverse the charges later).

The proof is marked on a per-card basis, not a per-user basis. So, once you cross the $500 mark, you need to send proof for each additional card you want to use.

Finally, the server blocks more than one user from paying with the same card. Stripe has a nice feature called a card fingerprint that lets me remember and recognize a card uniquely without storing the card info itself in my database.

Anyway, $500 felt like the limit of reasonable loss for me without inconveniencing everyone too much.

QuazAndWally · 2015-01-01 23:44:59

I think I played against you cullman when you were starting out, and I won a few 5$ games against you. After like 4-5 matches you listed a $400 game then a $100 game. That's when I started to think you were losing to me on purpose and trying to bait me into playing against you in a high stakes game where you would unleash the fury on me, lol. Pretty sure you're skewing the profit:loss leaderboard, ha ha.

Nate · 2015-01-02 00:14:31

Cullman I'll be on at 8pm EST tonight, I missed our 6:00 date I think. Down for some $100 games

computermouth · 2015-01-02 02:28:30

Originally, I had deposited a bit of extra money when I saw judge doorman show up. Saw a few $50 games and a brand new wallet leader? Figured what some of us might: fish. Got in, threw down, lost all the money I dropped in. Checked the leaderboards later, doorman was still at $47X.XX, and I was playing against one of the elo leaders! Shit! Lesson learned here as well

.. · 2015-01-02 03:53:09

Thanks for the explanation. But...

jasonrohrer wrote:

Finally, the server blocks more than one user from paying with the same card. Stripe has a nice feature called a card fingerprint that lets me remember and recognize a card uniquely without storing the card info itself in my database.

What's the intention? You said that the $500 limit is per card rather than per user, so it doesn't seem that this is needed to prevent anyone from getting around the $500 limit. It sounds more like a measure to prevent cheating in tournaments. If I ever put up a bot, I wanted to create a separate account for it, so it sounds like I would have to ask for an exception. I was also thinking of creating an account for my sister, but she might not be interested afterall.

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cullman · 2015-01-02 11:42:04

I am playing $100, is that you Nate? If so send me a private message with your skype or IM... I'd love to chat while we are playing. Also, as predicted you are beating me still but at a much slower rate! How's that for progress.

Pox · 2015-01-02 12:23:35

if only someone would play at stakes greater than 5 cents and less than $100

jere · 2015-01-02 12:24:27

Heh. I will.

Congrats to Nate. First one to cross $1000 profit.

jere · 2015-01-02 12:47:51

Ugh. I wish I could get in on that sweet doorman money. It just never stops.

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cullman · 2015-01-02 12:48:48

Yeah, Nate is beating handily and I'm actually trying to win this time. I am still learning though...hopefully I will give him something of a challenge here eventually... Good on you Nate!

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