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Yea, I guess if it's getting posted on reddit, you don't need a landing page.
Let's say it was 50 accounts at $2 a pop. Would this be really tedious for Jason as opposed to 20 accounts? Also, do you think you would even get 50 respondents? If both of those questions are answered, I think 50 would be fine.
Or maybe 30 at $3?
I'm still wondering how this could best be leveraged for marketing purposes? Like what if the winners were determined by upvote count, assuming that's allowed (the number thing would still be part of it but upvotes determine who has the best answer). You might get people bringing their friends to upvote it? I dunno.
I feel stupid. I had indeed lazily assumed that Satan was at least part of a grab bag of demonic motifs surrounding the game. I figured most of the demons came out of like Dante's Inferno or related works. I dumb.
Re: the contest. While I would love to see some CM fan art, I don't think asking the uninitiated to make some would work. I tend to agree that the bar should be set as low as possible.
A lot of giveaways these days work by asking the person to do 2 things. 1) Promote said product somehow and 2) Explain why they should win the product. For example, the rules could simply be: The participants have to retweet an official tweet about the contest and they have to say why they want to play CM or why they deserve free CM money.
Another idea is to ask people to pick an interesting number and explain why it is interesting (the game is about numerology after all). This is somewhat like "I'm thinking about a number 1-100", but here the numbers themselves are actually interesting. You can provide a few links as starting point. Only the top 20 most interesting numbers/descriptions will win.
If you need some assistance, I might be able to help with a splash page. I still think this little mockup I made is cool and could be reworked into a contest page. Also, if you want to bump up the prize amount (maybe $5?), I'd be willing to throw some money in the pot.
^To your point (and I was thinking about posting this anyway): http://fourhourworkweek.com/2015/05/10/ … lay-poker/
There's a 1 page cheatsheet in there.
Worrying about long term issues at game launch seems like putting the cart before the horse. Yes, you want a a low churn rate, but having a low churn doesn't matter if you start with a small playerbase and have no way to get new people into the system!
Therefore, the Steam thing is the single best idea in this thread. I would do whatever you could get away with. If that means depositing money that can only be withdrawn with the real client, so be it. If it means funny money on a separate server that serves as training wheels for the real thing, consider that as well. Either way, Steam would bring a lot of exposure and people might be more willing to put their CC into Steam than your game client (I've heard this concern expressed many times).
There is no way to extend 2-player CM into 10-player CM.
Are you absolutely sure? You sit at a table. Each person has an alias (A, B, C or more lively names like Bobcat and Dictator) and a color. You rotate opponents. The number has to be even obviously, so you can restrict to even number of players or fill in with a unknown bot that plays a set strategy (not random because that introduces luck). You're playing the column picking parts with a single opponent each round, but the betting includes everyone at the table. You see X number of scoreboards (each with the player's unique colors). You have to work out some issues like what to do when somebody leaves, but I don't see any huge roadblocks.
Then again, I really don't understand the appeal of making the game more boring.
You're saying CM's big problem is that it's too hard for pros to keep making money. AnoHito is saying that it's too hard for beginners to make money. Really?
Is this really the reason that poker has remained a popular pastime for over a century? Because people make money off of it? Sure there's the fascination with watching pros play, but I'd assume some of the popularity comes from it just being a fun game for people to play.
This isn't Vegas unfortunately. You don't have weekenders just passing through.
Yea, I know that feeling. Real quick anecdote to illustrate. I came in 6th place in the Steal Real Money contest. But while trying to win the contest, I got near the top of the list and died FIVE times. To put this into context, it sometimes took several days to start a new life and build your way up to one of the top houses. I did it 5 times in a weekend.
One of the reasons the game is so brutal is that you only get ahead when you stole from others or they died in your house. Kill/steal or be killed/stolen from. It's sort of like a food chain and if you get to the top you are a sort of super predator. In grade school, they would drill into our head the food chain: plants at the bottom, and then herbivores which are X times less efficient, and then small carnivores that are X times less efficient, and so on. Basically, at the top you as an individual are surviving by killing a whole PYRAMID of organisms below you. That was TCD. You had robbed dozens of people to get there. And when you died you lost alllllllll of that progress instantly. That real life feeling when something really horrible happens, you see red, and all you can think is NOOOO!!!!
Anyway, during one of my early attempts I had built up a lot of money and I was going into a fairly simple looking house. There was wide open spaces and a bunch of wooden hallways with doors (e.g. Door #1, Door #2, Door #3...?). Each hallway was a "commit trap." Once you go in, you ain't coming back without tools. It looked dirt cheap. Basically the most you could build with the starting money.
I didn't have tools. I was just poking about. And I noticed something: through the fog of war I could just barely make out that all the hallways except one were dead ends within 1 or 2 tiles. "IDIOT!" I thought. This newb doesn't know that I can clearly see that the safe is going to be behind the remaining door.
I stepped through without thinking. Behind me an electric floor started buzzing, as expected. And instead of a safe, the house just opened up more and I just saw more hallways. It was a feign. SHIT SHIT SHIT NO. I knew I was doomed right then. And carrying a single cheap water bottle would have saved me, but I got cocky. A day's worth of work down the drain. I was the idiot.
I had some guesses about who JA might be based on them being a poker player and in contact with Jason. The part in which JA "does not do computers too well" confounds me though unless it's just a misdirection. It's funny: one of the top players (and most active too) at this Personal Computer game and yet is not good at computers?
I like ..'s idea "Now I imagine JA as some poker-loving elderly southern gentleman." I'm picturing a Mark Twain character here.
Further hilarity ensues when I imagine JA calling up Jason on the telephone and trying to play by proxy. I guess play by mail is out of the question.
I reposted. If you have an active HN account, please check out new. Meh.
^Thanks Dan. The similarities between TCD and CM are pretty striking if you thinking about it. Both involved very painful LOSS (either time or money) and neither have luck, though sometimes you feel like you are making choices at random. Either way you're still trying to read somebody's mind and predict what they would do. And yes, it was very intense.... I'd say even more intense than CM. Dying in that game was unlike anything else.
Interesting. Well I'm just going to post it again and hope for the best. I was confused. I didn't realize no one here had an active account.
If you mean the upvotes next to them, you may have to reload the page. I have that problem and I am in the top 1000 users by karma and my account is 3 years old.
If you mean the order, that's just chronological. You can't affect it unless it gets bumped to the front page.
Edit: Are you talking about the votes or the order? I still don't get it. You may be right about the anti-shill stuff. I have no idea.
Here's what I'll do.
I will repost the article (with a different URL) tomorrow morning around 11:00am EST (8:00am PST). I'll make a note here when I do. At that point, go to new and vote if you want. If you miss it, you can keep going back pages with the "more" button. That's all I got. Thanks for reading my piece and I hope you enjoyed it.
^Yes, everything starts on the new page. It needs to get more votes than the lowest upvoted thing on the front page to get there. New submissions will scroll off of the new page until they're either gone or they make it to the front. Obviously, some sort of decay is in place as well along with plenty of algorithms behind the scenes.
It's still on the front page but only for a couple minutes. It literally only needs like 2 more votes. You only get ~30 min to make this happen.... this is always so painful to watch
Yes I had a 4x profit ratio on the original boards, but JA would have a much higher one now. Like you just realized "Ooooh, so we don't have a leaderboard that gives the ratio of profit against initial deposit." I think we did initially.
.., the story part at the beginning is just meant as a teaser and I also really enjoy long form stories that interweave an ongoing narrative with exposition (though this is pretty short). Plus I figured the part where I get woken up by the bot is indeed the most interesting lead.
We can try reposting it at a specified time later.... (the url has to be different, but I can manage that).
Yea I wouldn't even link to the new page, just tell people to go to it. You never know what kind of weird algorithms they have in place.
You know I heard a similar thing about reddit, interesting. Apparently, if you up/down vote posts on a user's page (like you are just across the board downvoting them) none of that counts at all.
Edit: oh thanks!
Edit: I've never used slashdot beyond reading a handful of linked threads. So that's your call.
I've been meaning to write a little on my experience over the last 6 months. Combine that with a little concern that the game is not seeing the exposure it deserves and I decided to finally do it.
Yea, the numbers may not be as flashy as Nate's story but I tried to make it interesting. If anyone thinks this is worthwhile, maybe we can try to get it posted somewhere. I keep harping on the Hacker News thing. Just what I know I guess. About 5 votes, coordinated properly, would almost certainly do the trick (although I'm hoping the clickbait title on its own is enough). If you're interested let me know (before you do anything with it).
Very cool! I was wondering if the occasion was going to be marked and it was! I like this ad-hoc challenge kind of thing. It'd be cool to see them continue. I'd be up for something similar at some point.
Of course, it'd be really cool if the terms of the bet included a clause stating if the challenger wins then jeopardy TAKES OFF THE MASK. I kid, I kid. But no really, the mystery is killing me.
Yea I thought I had coded for this but apparently not. Give me some time to look at it.
Yea you're right.
For fun, I tried to imagine what a different landing page would look like. http://humbit.com/cmsplash/
Quite silly.
I was going to write a response to the web dev reply, but honestly there may be some value in that criticism. I wonder how many people see the website and just immediately bounce.
Not sure how you can bridge the gap between the theme and a modern looking website whose first 2 jobs are explaining what it is and then convincing you that it's secure. That seems to entail white background, sterile, feature heavy, etc. Pretty much the opposite of what you're going for: https://www.paypal.com https://stripe.com/ https://bitcoin.org/en/ Of course there's also the poker sites that have their own design.
Maybe there is some value in having a theme heavy splash page followed by navigation to some clean page(s) about what CM is, how it works, why it's legal, and why it's secure. I dunno.
While we're on the subject of reddit, you may or may not have noticed there is a subreddit dedicated to CM. I keep directing people to the forums for certain questions, but now I'm wondering if it'd be better to direct you to the sub. http://www.reddit.com/r/cordialminuet/
I would just post the "new" link and ask for people to take a look like you did with the reddit post.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
I, stupidly, immediately upvoted and then remembered you're not supposed to do that. And I guess they check the referrer.
Sorry if I'm taking this too far off topic, but I disagree. From the guidelines:
On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.
Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
Games get traction quite often, sometimes even silly ones. I think a unique gambling game that skirts gambling laws through math is PERFECT for HN. It might be argued that there would be less conversion because gamers are not the primary audience on HN. But seriously, mainstream gamers don't seem to be more interested in CM than anyone else.
Yup. It's a popular programming/startup site. In order to really get any traction there you have to get on the "front page" which can only happen if your post on the "new" page (which nobody typically looks at) gets enough votes to knock something else off. If you do though, you're guaranteed on the order of 10k visits and typically some good discussion. 95% of the submissions I post there get no upvotes at all, though I did once get on the front page with a stupid article about fantasy football that I wrote. Weird.
Even though I use it daily, I hate reddit. People are such jerks. Submitting stuff without being considered a spammer is incredibly tedious or impossible depending on the sub. People will downvote comments for no reason. People will downvote threads for no reason.
This always makes me feel dejected. The last few days have reminded me that I shouldn't feel so bad. I saw that one of the RPS articles about Cordial Minuet got submitted to /r/gaming. Article about a game by a well known game designer? 60% downvoted. Was it offensive? Spammy? Off topic? Nope. Ugh ugh ugh.
Anyway, nice post.
.., I feel the same about HN. Lots of abuse of the downvote and it's notoriously hard to get anything there off the front page (I submitted two Cordial Minuet articles on Tuesday).
Oh, cool!
I'd like to stream CM, but I haven't found anything saying you can set a configurable delay on Twitch. Sounds like you can do so with 3rd party, paid software. If someone wants to correct me, please feel free.
This single Canto Delirium tweet is gold:
CAR STEERAGE loses $0.17, OPIUM BARON wins $0.16, TWILIGHT IGNORANCE loses $0.07, CLEMENCY VIRTUE wins $0.02, DUMMY FUN loses $0.01