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...let's just assume that's the case without me actually having to say it.
Baller status achieved.
Just for the record, I would return all of my winnings to cullman if I ever thought he needed it. Same goes for anyone I play.
I will never empty my account totally... I'll always keep over $500 I think.
Jason, while you're in here, I didn't get an e-mail with instructions for the W9.
What should I do for that?
edit: nvm just got it thank u!
What's 3 grand to a ******** like me, can you please remind me?
That shit cray.
If I can get serious for a second here...
I am actually a full time, solo, independent game developer, just like Jason. I am currently 3 years into a music game project that has had a lot of financial difficulties, as many music/rhythm game tend to. I'm only 22, but the game I'm making is huge in scope for one person...
The money I won playing cullman is definitely going to help me finish this game.
So that's a feel good gambling story! Also I could tell cullman was improving a lot as we played, don't mess with that guy now that he's had some practice.
And cullman, I know you were involved with some startups, and I am a startup. The game I'm making is revolutionary, I'll even show you if you want! Do you know anyone who would be interested in funding/investing in my project potentially? Thanks!
Cullman I'll be on at 8pm EST tonight, I missed our 6:00 date I think. Down for some $100 games ![]()
I still have over $200 in game, and I would be glad to play $100 games with anyone here!
Just wondering, what is your job/where is this income coming from? I'm a programmer.
10 + 20 + 30 + 40 + 60 + 100 + 100 + 100 = 460
...It was a good night...
Awesome! Just post here when you're available! Sorry I was a jerk, I can be a bit of a sore winner at times...
Gonna eat. I'm gonna be on at 4 am EST tonight.
I would be glad to keep doing 100$ matches! You probably just got bad luck, happens to me often. I'm available now, or I'll be on at 6pm EST tomorrow.
So,
Judge Doorman is that one player who bought in with an account of $450-$500.
You'll notice that Judge Doorman has gone to below 30$ in the Balance leaderboards, and some player named Incident Clemency mysteriously has over 500$ now.
That's where I, Incident Clemency, come into the story.
When I started playing this game about 2 weeks ago, I only put in $5.00, ONE TIME, and that's all I've ever put into the game from my own wallet. I was already top of the profit board before tonight, but now, my profit amount/ratio is #1 in the game by a LOT, at $521.28 and 1.59. Though I'm only 5th in the game by elo. I have some theories about why this gap between profit and elo exists, basically I don't take $1.00 seriously at all at this point so I get impatient with them. I also missed a lot of the tournament.
Now I have enough Minuet Cash to buy a PS4, which I would never do, but I AM gonna buy about 3 golden plated toilet seats.
Basically, it was 2 AM on New Years and I found myself repeatedly winning 100$ matches with Judge Doorman. I won the whole pot every time, with each game lasting maybe 5 minutes at most. It was a slaughter. I assume they were drunk.
They bet 10 coins (aka 10 bucks) on every turn and he always went all in with me no matter how many times I folded. Either they were drunk, or inexperienced at this game, or both.
The lesson here is that when you start playing this game, gamble $100's of dollars right away without practicing. That's the kind of high level strategic advice that players like Creature Expression would never tell your because it's TOO PRO.
I made $400 in this game today, which is quite a living wage, meaning that Cordial Minuet is officially an e-sport! Happy New Year!
Pox... that killed me man... xD.
Although, if the ELO system didn't affect matchmaking and was only public to yourself, it wouldn't be bad at all like I said it would be.
But even having elos on the leaderboards could lead people to scrape the leaderboards to find out how skilled their opponent is, at least if they play multiple games.
Actually, people might be doing that anyway, so.... xD
Even with a ton more players, you could still narrow down your opponent by noticing the timing of changes in the leaderboard comapred to your own game quitting. Maybe the leaderboards would just need a random, long refresh rate. Maybe 15 seconds to a minute, randomly each refresh.
edit: I just don't want my opponents to have their d-space calculations done for them by scraping leader boards ![]()
Well, it looks like all of my strategies are now public..... Now we just have to use this information against people....
One problem that you didn't mention for the main game is Smurfing, where I could lose 50 1 cent matches to lower my elo, and then pubstomp my way back to the middle using 1$ matches.
Plus I feel like this whole system just encourages us to try to maintain as low an ELO as possible....at least if our end goal is making money off of people. Youll see a lot of high elo players make new accounts to reset it.
For a tournament structure though, something like this could work I think.
That $3000 hacking challenge is an amazing idea. Sony Pictures should have done it long ago...
Now that I think about it, I bet Cordial Minuet AI would actually have a lot in common with Diamond Trust of London AI. It's almost like you're inventing these games to be interesting AI problems on purpose...
I think I like it here in Donkey Space. It's.... furry and cute!
What an interesting article... I bet the guy who wanted to make a good Cordial Minuet AI will find that it's not so easy.
I think when two high level players match up, they are going to start placing all of the lines almost 100% randomly (while keeping a sharp eye on potential patterns from their opponent) to avoid falling into each other's psychological traps.
Meaning that with two experienced players, the real skill and depth of the game involves figuring out the statistics and psychology of when to bet and fold on a given board.
However, the first tournament isn't necessarily focused on "more experienced" players matching up. And neither is the game itself, really. In a way, it's a better strategy to hunt down less experienced players, if possible, and try to figure out their patterns. Of course this could be a charade on their part, perhaps they are pretending to be bad so that you'll bet more and more...
I love this game.
Since there's not that many players right now, I think this tourney would be pretty easy to scam right now. Even with the 5 chip thing. More players would make it harder to scam, given the 5 chip rule.
That said, I promise I won't scam the tournament... As long as everyone else promises not to scam the tournament, lol.
Also, Jason, I took a look at the picture of the magic square you posted, and I figured out a few interesting things about it.
As you might know, every letter of the Hebrew alphabet has a number associated with it. I calculated each row of the Hebrew magic square you posted and found out that they all add up to 34.
All of the numbers are written normally according to Hebrew numerology *except* for "אי" pronounced "Aleph Yod" from right to left, which is just 11 written backwards.
This whole picture seems like it comes from Qabalah, not Judaism, for several reasons, including the spelling of "אי".
A quick correction to my original post: I originally thought I was posting a link to Jewish numerolgy there, but it was actually from a text of Qabalah, which is disctinct from Judaism in many ways. Here is that link again, which explains the verbal meaning of "Aleph Yod" in Qabalah: http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/app5.htm
Don't stick to $1 bets people... I personally want to see $10 bets taking place all the time. Then, playing Coridal Minuet could be a full time job... so I can drop out of game development to become an e-sports pro.
No one ever took my 6.66 bet yesterday... seriously people it's just 6 bucks. It's the same odds either way so lets just get it done with and bet everything at once. *Macho gambling rant over.*
I played against you several times yesterday and in fact, against my better judgment, decided to play a $4.20 game while showing the game to a friend and lost.
Yes that was me! I seem to recall you rage quitting right as you lost your final coin, before the animation fully played out. I love that this is possible, because it subtly illustrated how salty you were. Gotta love it.
Unfortunately I can't show my game yet because it's a music/rhythm game and the music licensing agreements are not 100% final. But if you see a music game released in about a year by Nate Software, LLC....that's me!
My game is going super well but it's kinda hard to work alone all day. I've been working on my game for 3 years alone now... the first year seemed fine. But then it started to wear on me. My career rewards me for spending time alone right now, and it's just starting to suck. I wonder if Jason has experienced this as a fellow solo indie coder dude.
You might know me as "incident clemency", #1 on the profit leader boards. I started with $5.00 and now I have over $18.00 after just 1 day of play.
Since I'm doing so well right now, I'm not going to explain my strategy in detail, but if Jason wants to know what strategy I've been using, he should feel free to e-mail me. Let's just say that my current strategy relies very heavily on the graph to the right, but I'm working on a new strategy that will take into account the numbers on the board. My goal with this experimental new strategy is to anticipate my opponents moves, which of course could be countered easily if they figure out that I'm doing it. The most important part of my strategy so far involves "knowing when to fold".
I have been a huge fan of Jason Rohrer since I played Passage in 2007, and I've played almost every game he has released. In my opinion, Cordial Minuet is BY FAR the best game Rohrer has ever made. I predict that it will do VERY well with both critics and gamers... And most of all I think that this game will Jason rich enough to buy about $1,000,000 worth of lentils. I found this game to be more addictive than Dota... Seriously, I didn't play Dota at all today because I was too busy GAMBLING! I smell a hit.
The gameplay is perfect for a gambling game. When you lose, you really feel like it's your fault. It's rare that gambling feels fair yet skill based yet luck based... and at the end of the day it's just damn fun.
Side note, the way that the "colored markers" animate and blend together is truly artistic. I've programmed many 2D games and I think he put in a ton of skill and effort to make the animations look like actual ink and paper. The main part of the presentation/UI that I wish was different would be the coins themselves. They just look too plain to me, compared to the asthetic of the game board itself. It would also be cool to see the entire menu UI redone in "ink and paper" fashion, to match the beautiful game board. A full screen mode would be nice, too.
The UI generally feels great, but one VERY SMALL change I would make would be in the case that only 2 columns are left, it would be nice if the cursors each popped in to a space automatically, so that I don't have to drag them both from the side.
I would also love to see this game come to mobile.
Side tangent:
About 4 years ago, when I was a high school senior, I messaged Jason about how I should become a game developer. He told me "If you must go to college, go for computer science. Don't go to a Game Design college because they will force you to texture Orc ankles for the rest of your life. Also, 3D games are a fad."
I ignored some of his advice, and went to RIT for Game Design and Development. Two and a half years into that program I dropped out. It wasn't a bad program at all (very similair to Software Engineering), but when I gained enough skills to become a proper indie dev, I decided to start a company (alone) making games full time. If it wasn't for developers like Jason, I would never have had the courage to start a one-man game studio... So most of all, a big thank you and good luck goes out to Jason for leading the indie community by example for nearly 10 years now.
Let's talk about the story/mystery of the game. I sent the link/code to some of my friends and one of them asked me "are you in a cult now?" And I said "No, this is from a well know game developer, he's just pretending to be a cult (or should I say, occult). So just shut up and type in your credit card number."
The home page of Cordial Minuet is spooky, mysterious, and has some of the best writing I've seen in or around a game. The use of capital letters, along with the general tone, reminds me of Dr. Bronner's Soap labels. There are a lot of mysterious diagrams and phrases on this page that I was completely unable to decipher.
Let's look at the text on the game board. Il Mondo is Italian for "The World", where as L'Abisso is Italian for "The Abyss". These two phrases label the green and red axis of the game respectively. These phrases are relevant to Cordial Minuet's gameplay, because "The World" represents the axis from which the player interacts with the game, whereas "The Abyss" represents the axis from which your opponent interacts with the game. This could be seen as Jason's commentary on the phenomenon of players demonizing or vilifying each other... which is a dynamic that is already present in any competitive game.
In the upper left, the name "Minosons" is scrawled messily. According to demons.wikia.com, this is the name of a demon who "insures winning in all games". There is also a strange diagram in this corner which I was unable to decipher.
I went to hebrew school for 9 years, and I noticed right away that the hebrew lettering was out of order. The top axis seems to say "זוהקצע" and the left axis seems to say "חטילנס". Neither of which are Hebrew words. Perhaps it is an anagram, or crypt, or perhaps there is some numerology involved with the numbers that I'm missing.
The game's icon reads (from right to left, as Hebrew is written) "Aleph Yod" or "אי". This was strange to me, because "יא" means "eleven" in Hebrew, but "אי" doesn't seem to mean anything in modern Hebrew. In ancient Hebrew, though, according to one source, Aleph Yod means "nothing" or "no limit"...perhaps those are the two of the fates you can expect while playing this game... you might get "nothing" yet "there's no limit to what you can earn". http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/app5.htm
The closest I felt to uncovering the game's mystery is discovering that there is an 1891 Italian novel called L'Abisso. The plot was summarized on Wikipedia as follows: "The protagonist Durtal, a mediocre author Parisian conducts an investigation of Gilles de Rais that, in the fifteenth century, was accused of raping and torturing dozens of children. These surveys exert a strange fascination for Madame Chantelouve, who soon falls in love with the writer and becomes his mistress. Fedele of Satan, she learns from him that, in Paris , continue to be celebrated of the black masses. Durtal then approaches the Satanism, conversing with his friends of occultism , d ' astrology , of spiritualism , of magic ."
Maybe there's some more clues in that novel.
Also, the game board is 6x6. And the numbers all add up to 666. LIKE THE DEVIL!? LIKE SATAN!?!? COINCIDENCE OBAMA!?
Anyways, I wish Jason and his family the very best. This game is going places, and I truly believe that Jason deserves all of the success that is going to come his way because of this game. In the name of Minoson, good luck to us all!